Team Allocation into Leagues

[UBT - Timbo]

Hi all

This is how the Teams have been allocated into the 3 leagues that will start the 2024 season. These are listed in alphabetical order. This has been based on the final FB placings from the 2023 season:

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Team			League
BOINC@AUSTRALIA		1
Czech National Team	1
L'Alliance Francophone	1
Planet 3DNow!		1
Rechenkraft.net		1
SETI.Germany		1
SETI.USA		1
The Scottish Boinc Team	1
Ukraine			1

Team			League
AMD Users		2
BOINC.Italy		2
Canada			2
Crystal Dream		2
Keep The Fire Alive!	2
LITOMYSL Boinc Team Czech Republic	2
Russia Team		2
TSC! Russia		2
UK BOINC Team		2

Team			League
Asgard			3
BOINC Synergy		3
BOINC.BE		3
Crunching@EVGA		3
H.P.C.N.Swiss		3
Hardware Canucks	3
Meisterkuehler.de Team	3
Team Switzerland	3
The Final Front Ear	3
The IT Team		3

I am hopeful that the coding to allow promotion and/or demotion of Teams between the various leagues will be possible at certain times during the year, but until the final coding is finished I cannot confirm this...yet !

regards
Tim

[JeromeC]

Maybe it is a good time that we go on some "big missing teams forums" to spread the good news of FB rebirth ?

Do you have any plan regarding this ?

Do you need any help ?

[UBT - Timbo]

Maybe it is a good time that we go on some "big missing teams forums" to spread the good news of FB rebirth ?

Do you have any plan regarding this ?

Do you need any help ?

Hiya

Yes, that is a good idea and I have already been doing something similar over the last 2-3 days, when I had some free time.

I have already created some posts on as many BOINC project messageboards that FB supports as you can see here:

viewtopic.php?p=3500#p3500

and secondly, I have PM'd every founder of each team, that is already registered here, to advise them of the re-start.

In the future, then YES, more help will be required to continue the "marketing BUZZ" just so that more people get involved in taking part.

I am still thinking of further activities that might help this but for now, I want to wait and see what reaction the above effort has had !!

But the next BIG STEP is to get any other very active team (who are not represented here already) to register as a team and maybe to ask them to get their members to join the Members League as well (though that is not 100% necessary).

regards
Tim

[JeromeC]

That's great Tim ! thanks for all this !

I can and will not help you with any social network activity (my religion forbids me ) but don't hesitate to ask me the day you need some project forum promotion (I love forums)

[UBT - Timbo]

Hi all

I am considering how the promotion and demotion should be decided for this years Season both for the Teams taking part as well as the Members. And also WHEN should this take place?

With 24 F1 races being planned, it seems to me that we could award promotion and demotion to both sets of Leagues at 3 specific times - so after the 1st, 2nd and 3rd tranche of 6 Sprints.

How could this be achieved? Rather than base this on FB points, it seems it might be better to base this on total BOINC credits earned up to each period, which is similar to how FB operated in the past, when there were 3 Leagues and teams were initially allocated to a specific League, based on the number of BOINC credits and RAC that they had earned in the preceding period.

It also means that the initial number of Teams and Members in each League could change during the 2024 Season - this is of course more relevant to NEW Teams and Members who have no prior history on FB and so they could easily be promoted very quickly from League 3 up to League 1.

This could then be a great way of keeping high levels of interest for the entire season and it will incentivise high credit earning teams and members in the same League and still making a good competition for the lower earning teams and members who would still be competing with others who earn comparable credits, but in the lower 2 Leagues.

I'll monitor how this works out during the first 6 Sprints and then I can see if this is a going to help

regards
Tim

[UBT - wbiz]

How could this be achieved? Rather than base this on FB points, it seems it might be better to base this on total BOINC credits earned up to each period, which is similar to how FB operated in the past, when there were 3 Leagues and teams were initially allocated to a specific League, based on the number of BOINC credits and RAC that they had earned in the preceding period.

If you promote on Boinc credits, you could have the unusual outcome of having teams with lowest FB points (and bottom of their league) being promoted and teams with the highest FB points (and top of their league) being demoted. Those that focus only on the highest reward projects get promoted, those that do a broader range of projects get demoted.

Perhaps if this is the way you want to go then get rid of the progressive naming of the leagues, so its not a promotion or demotion, it is changing to a different focus group eg three racing team names.

[UBT - Timbo]

If you promote on Boinc credits, you could have the unusual outcome of having teams with lowest FB points (and bottom of their league) being promoted and teams with the highest FB points (and top of their league) being demoted. Those that focus only on the highest reward projects get promoted, those that do a broader range of projects get demoted.

Perhaps if this is the way you want to go then get rid of the progressive naming of the leagues, so its not a promotion or demotion, it is changing to a different focus group eg three racing team names.

Hi

Thanks for your input.

In simple terms, the problem is that FB points are awarded based on the position a Team (or a Member) achieves either through being in the Top 10 of the Marathon or by perhaps one or more high ranking positions in one or more Sprints...and hence the FB points are NOT related to the effort made to earn BOINC credits.

So, it does not take into account the fact that one team in League 3, could be awarded significant FB points during one or more Sprints by perhaps only earning say 20,000 BOINC credits. But another team in League 2 might only get far fewer FB points BUT may have earned 5,000,000 BOINC credits in the process.

So, which is the team that has made the most effort and hence should be rewarded with a promotion?

Of course, if FB points were directly related (and scaled) to reflect BOINC credits, it might be different. But that would then remove the analogy between the FB Challenges and the points awarded to teams and drivers at the end of each F1 race.

So, I'm just trying to keep it simple as BOINC credits are used in order to dictate which position each team (or member) is placed in each League, so the higher BOINC credit earners should compete with other high credit earning teams (or members)?

As mentioned, I'll review how things go over the first few Sprints and I'll calculate which teams (or members) are not pulling their weight and which are doing their best.

The naming of the Leagues themselves has been set by Sebastien and changing the names would not pose an issue for me, but what else do we call them, as the higher leagues will be populated with higher earning teams (or members)...so, that implies they would be in the number 1 League?

And just with F1, there are F2 and F3 formulas for racing, which comprise different teams, with slower speeds and smaller budgets

Ideally, having 3 Leagues means that teams/members of similar crunching abilities will be grouped together, but initially NEW teams/members (with no "FB track record") should be rewarded, if they earn lots more BOINC credits than their opponents in the lower League.

regards
Tim

[davidBAM1]

Hi all

I am considering how the promotion and demotion should be decided for this years Season both for the Teams taking part as well as the Members. And also WHEN should this take place?

You might get some angst from teams who, by dint of getting promoted, suddenly lose a bunch of their marathon points. I must say that I regard promotion / demotion as a start-of-year activity

[UBT - Timbo]

You might get some angst from teams who, by dint of getting promoted, suddenly lose a bunch of their marathon points. I must say that I regard promotion / demotion as a start-of-year activity

Hiya

The idea behind having a mid-season promotion/demotion is to inspire teams/members to try harder to do better than they are currently. But leaving this until the start of the following year does not give many teams/members the chance to change their situation, as by then most of the Sprints will be almost over** and there may be little to no chance of earning more FB points.

** the final 3 Sprints take place:
#22 20-23 November
#23 29 November-1 December
#24 5-8 December

Sebastien and I are in discussion about how any points earned in one league will be treated if a team (or member) is promoted or demoted.

Obviously, we would not want to upset anyone by removing hard earned points they may have earned already, that much is obvious.

However, it is likely that:

a) demoted teams would not lose many FB points as they might not have earned many to begin with, as they may not have been participating at their full potential, hence why they are at the bottom of their current league (and should be relegated to make room for more active teams/members !).

b) promoted teams in lower leagues would have been operating at a high level, (so as to be at the top of their league) so their FB points should, perhaps, be preserved?

So, we'll see how we can make this work in practice.

regards
Tim

[davidBAM1]

I will leave it to your good offices

I think all teams will realise that Marathon points are never truly 'earned' until the last day of the year