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sebastien wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:01 am From January to March, there could be only one league. At the end of March, after 3 months of marathon and 2 sprints, 2 or more leagues could be created.

Is this still the plan?

I think two leagues will increase participation from smaller teams

davidBAM1 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:53 am Is this still the plan?

I think two leagues will increase participation from smaller teams

Hi David

I don't know.

I think the original plan was based on how many teams from last year were expected to register for this year - and as there were 24 teams in League 1, and 27 teams in both League 2 and 3, so maybe Sebastien was expecting at least 30-50 teams would register for 2022...and clearly that hasn't happened.

In fact only 13 teams out of League 1, 9 teams from League 2 and 1 team from League 3 registered for 2022 (and we had 4 *new* teams register as well).

So, with 27 teams, is there actually a need for more than one League? Perhaps not, which is why nothing has happened to "split" the league?

regards
Tim

I thought the main reason to split was to give more teams more to play for

davidBAM1 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 12:30 pm I thought the main reason to split was to give more teams more to play for

Hi David

Indeed...and I have no idea why anything has changed from that idea.

But given the points structure (emulating the F1 points system, where only the Top 10 positions earn points), so having 2 Leagues of maybe 13 teams in one and 14 teams in another...or even 3 Leagues each with 9 teams, perhaps does not lead to increased competition...?

Or maybe it does if everyone has an improved chance of earning FB points...

I guess it boils down to how the points are "earned" and if it is "too easy" to get points, so does that make the competition any better?

And whether there is enough motivation, knowing you have earned FB points against the other 26 teams...or whether it is better to have beaten fewer teams in a smaller league? There are arguments that could be made that both views could be correct?

At the end of the day, isn't it the idea of FB to motivate teams to crunch data for specific projects and to have some competition between teams...and that benefits the projects so they see an increase in uploaded data.

regards
Tim

davidBAM1 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:53 am

sebastien wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 11:01 am From January to March, there could be only one league. At the end of March, after 3 months of marathon and 2 sprints, 2 or more leagues could be created.

Is this still the plan?

I think two leagues will increase participation from smaller teams

Hello David,
I am not sure it will increase participation. Look how many teams are registred. How many are "waiting confirmation"
I think two league will give more frustration. As previous says, each 3 (or 4) months, changing of league, will complicate all, and make a "yoyo" effect.

UBT - Timbo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 11:31 am

davidBAM1 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:53 am Is this still the plan?

I think two leagues will increase participation from smaller teams

Hi David

I don't know.

I think the original plan was based on how many teams from last year were expected to register for this year - and as there were 24 teams in League 1, and 27 teams in both League 2 and 3, so maybe Sebastien was expecting at least 30-50 teams would register for 2022...and clearly that hasn't happened.

In fact only 13 teams out of League 1, 9 teams from League 2 and 1 team from League 3 registered for 2022 (and we had 4 *new* teams register as well).

So, with 27 teams, is there actually a need for more than one League? Perhaps not, which is why nothing has happened to "split" the league?

regards
Tim

Hello Tim,
I also fully agree with your meaning.
Look my post a few minute ago to David.
One one example : Canada and Boinc Sinergy, if they woul go to league 2, then it will be a "yoyo" effect. In three months they come back because they will be the only competitors (with Boinc Sinergy). in league 2. Then in three months, (based on actual situation) USJ, Hardaware and Austria, will go to league 2. I really think this system is to demotivate.
My proposal : this year, let us go as actual, let Sebastien, take time to find the best solution.
Best regards
Philippe

It's like a High School Team playing Football with a College Team.. Why bother? You know your never going to win.

Some of Us on the Larger Teams have more computer power than some of the whole Smaller Teams. Is that fair?
Everyone needs something to work for/towards.

Just my (Well used to be .02 before inflation).
I don't know what to do maybe ask the smaller Teams and see which they'd prefer.

PecosRiverM wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:30 am It's like a High School Team playing Football with a College Team.. Why bother? You know your never going to win.

Some of Us on the Larger Teams have more computer power than some of the whole Smaller Teams. Is that fair?
Everyone needs something to work for/towards.

Hiya

Maybe...but then isn't there an incentive for smaller teams to get larger and to convince more of their members to be crunching on the various FB projects, esp for the Sprints?

PecosRiverM wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:30 am Just my (Well used to be .02 before inflation).
I don't know what to do maybe ask the smaller Teams and see which they'd prefer.

A good point...and maybe if some of the smaller teams visited this forum and expressed their views, then their opinions could be taken into account?

One of the reasons for having a forum is to get opinions from multiple members and teams...but if only a few join the forum and take part, then one can only make adjustments based on the views expressed here...

regards
Tim

Hello Timbo and David,
I see you are very actiive and cencerned.
Both of you trie to do your best. to make SETIBZH more atrrative.
Thank you for all your effort.
You do all as possible,.
Unfurtonately, Seb stay the "master"., and refuse to delegate.
Why ? Perhaps because he is the developer of FB
The world change what happen if Seb, not more is able to manage ?
Will be the death of FB ??? I hope not.
Tim, David, you have my full trust.
Best regards to all BOINC cruncher
.

PecosRiverM wrote: ↑Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:30 am It's like a High School Team playing Football with a College Team.. Why bother? You know your never going to win.

Some of Us on the Larger Teams have more computer power than some of the whole Smaller Teams. Is that fair?
Everyone needs something to work for/towards.

Just my (Well used to be .02 before inflation).
I don't know what to do maybe ask the smaller Teams and see which they'd prefer.

Yup. I've been on a team that had a drop in participation so we no longer really belonged in the league we were in. The few of us that did switch the FB Sprint project didn't have much of a chance at getting Top 10. So even less people participated to the point the event wasn't even mentioned at the home forum.

We moved down to league 2 and started to get some FB points and then there was more excitement for Sprints.